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Thump.

Ok well I'm listening to this on shitty speakers so I apologize for that right away. I'm in a mood for some real noisy kinda ambient stuff right now too, so that's probably influencing my opinion of this big time. So feel free to just ignore everything I say.

The manipulated thump thing was pretty excellent. The rest was real simple, sorta generic. As I'm sure you're aware, there's not much here so there's not much to comment on. It's definitely on the ambient side of ambient. Space-y more than scary, I think. Otherwordly-like. I'm mostly just left curious about what the more complex version of this sounded like.

Anyways, I guess the worst thing I can say about it is that it's sorta workmanlike, nothing too interesting but certainly nothing terrible. Sorry for the shitty review, it's late. Can't think of much I'd like to hear changed that wouldn't remove it from the ambient category, and I don't want to demand you switch genres or anything. Drop me a line if you do something a bit less ambient and I'll try to come up with a not shit review.

Until then, keep it up.

Doomzek responds:

Thanks, I havent really made a track like this in awhile I should because I think I could do a hell of a lot better, Ill try to work on the complexity.

pretty moody experimentation going on

Alright, by the nature of this thing it's a bit hard to review I think. I mean, you're just improvising it all right? So it is what it is. Certainly not much of a song as is, but I think there's some stuff here that you could flesh out or expand on so I'll focus on those positives.

First off, I think for a 'random song' there are some surprisingly good transitions and different parts. Certainly a few clumsy shifts/sections, but that's all part of the process I'm sure. The shifts from the moody plucking to the major sounding chords back to more minor intervals were certainly in good taste; I think you should look at those sort of parts if you think about fleshing any of this out. Some parts (like the one at around 3:40ish) also stand out on their own, and could be good. The more cheerful strumming afterward is a pretty good resolution too, if you played with it.

So yeah, as hard to listen to it as it is in this form, there are certainly more than a few good ideas (more than I touched on, at least) in here, that you could really turn into a song with some work. I'd forget about some sections (like from about 5:10 on), but there are certainly good ideas here, which is very impressive for 'improvised randomness.'

It's pretty neat, and do let me know if you turn any of this into a more complete song, 'cos I'd love to check it out. And I really apologize for how long it's taken me to review back! Keep it up.

ADR3-N responds:

Thanks for the great review. I'll see if I can do anything to improve on this and make at least a half-assed song out of it. I'm surprised you were patient enough to listen to the whole thing, as I talked to Courtney the entire time I played it, and still got pretty bored. No worries, it's all good.

My apologies for not making the song more interesting, as well as not responding sooner.

Pretty, unsurprising.

Not a lot to say about this one. Sounds go well together, some really neat work on the different synths. Percussion is pretty much exactly how you'd expect it to be after listening to the intro, doesn't really surprise anywhere. Not a whole lot of progression throughout, not a whole lot of emotion...I dunno, you're not taking any risks here, so it is what it is.

If you're stuck, I'd consider changing up some parts, getting away from the ambient frame of mind, figuring out something that's surprising but fits. Add some emotion, add some uncertainty, make it less pristine. Of course, it's just an opinion, and if you're not going for that at all, ignore me.

ZefiroN responds:

It's always nice to get some opinions and constructive comments on a track, but yeah, I wasn't really going for anything special, just a really simple chillout track.

Some great elements in here, doesn't always add up

First, some notes:

Pretty big bass sound there, digging echo/reverb. Not sure how well the sound works in an ambient song, though. Looking at it without considering genre, I'd say it was interesting- maybe fell a bit on the cheesy side with repeated listens.

Percussion is pretty trippy; interesting, neat stuff...I'm liking it. Composition, sound, I think you really nailed it.

Digging the background stuff, more often than not. Some cool sounds, not always sure if they fit. Enjoyed the throwaway string sounds more than the warm/soft pads, I think. I'm hearing some things the second/third/whatever time through I didn't hear the first time through, which is always good.

Crazy lead from about 1:20 on. Not especially liking it, melody wise or sound wise. Seems out of place.

Overall:

I like the structure, you certainly keep it varied and interesting. I'm never bored by the song, even with repeated listens. That's definitely a good thing. The song evolves, sounds bounce off each other, react. It feels organic, which is a tough thing to accomplish using sounds like these, I think.

With the soundscape, you are creating a lot of space. Feels pretty expansive, pretty mellow. Unfortunately this contributes to that one lead synth's and the bass sound's cheesiness, but that's opinion, of course. Also kinda makes it feel reserved, held back...not a strong sense of emotion. Again, opinion, some would probably disagree with me there.

Suggestions? Retool that bass sound, lead sound, really play around with those pads to make it all fit a little better. Maybe think about adding some stuff to compliment the great percussion, run with it...but that might lead it to not really be an ambient song, so keep that in mind. I think you've certainly got room for improvement, but it's still good as is. Sounds like work and thought went into it, so you deserve credit for what you have here.

Keep it up, drop me a PM if you work on this some more, update it, whatever...I'd be happy to take another listen if you do.

Psy-nigma responds:

Hey Thanks for the awesome review!

good news ... The bass has already been fixed. when i was first writing this song i was using a different key signature. thats why it sounds off and the fact that it stands out from all the other sounds like a sore thumb.

the plan here is that this song will be actually played with my real bass guitar and recorded into the mix. and i have figured out how to make it sound even better on my guitar.

The other plan is that i am also having my roomate play the main melody. of the guitar part. he has been practicing hard to learn to play the notes fluently.

so the two biggest issues with the song are already on the surface for next revision.

The genre like you said... I dont go by it, NG doesn't have a good selection and most of my music is downtempo IDM.

I will pm you with future revisions. its going to become much cooler and everything nailed to sound great!

Thanks Again!

Needs work.

I think this thing is has enough energy and intensity to be good, but I think it really needs some work.

It needs a beginning, first off, one that really will build anticipation until it breaks out in that intensity. Also, I think the sounds need some work: the fast one just sounds fast and generic, the other ones are varying between generic and annoying, and that's not really good for the song. Also the entire thing is too repetitive, in my opinion. I'd like to hear some more interesting percussion, and some better mixing to make it all gel better.

Keep working at it.

Hades responds:

Hm, as for the lack of a proper beginning you mentioned, it was actually made on purpose, to give it a 'straight-to-the-point' sort of feel, I didn't want to build the tension from the ground up this time, but create a feeling that you have been dropped straight into the center of intensity. As for the sounds, they are currently the best I have, but I actually found them to my liking because I don't often use such synths. And the percussion was meant to be very primitive and raw, because this was meant for depicting any act of aggression or similar thing. Not to brag, but drums usually aren't my weak point: this time I just wanted to keep them at a minimum.

I'll probably get back to this song in a while, and I'm sure that at that point, your advice will be more than useful! Thanks a lot for commenting.

Well...

It's neat you recorded this, but the recording/mixing quality is pretty awful at times, unless all that distortion was intentional in which case I really didn't like it.

The composition really doesn't move me either; it seems more bland than depressing. I dunno, really doesn't click for me.

That said, I think if you keep at it you could get something cool soon.

MonkeyV responds:

No, the distortion wasn't intentional.
I recorded this a long time ago with a crappy amp on sound recorder by hooking it up via microphone cord with amp plug on the end.

thanks for the review.

Great.

This is really good. One of the best things I've heard on the audio portal in awhile. I love all the variation, I love how it gets edgier from about one minute on until the end, and I loved the end. I love all the different sounds, I think they all go really well together and are interesting. It's not often that I really can't think of anything I'd change, but for this one I don't know what to say. Maybe the breakdown before it gets really good at about 1:02 could be improved a little; instead of just going to percussion only maybe you could do something musically for that transition. But that's really just an opinion.

Overall, this is a really, really good job. Keep it up.

HbGris responds:

never though of it, plus im still learning how to use FL
thanks for your words : ) ill keep em in mind

badass indeed...

This one is actually pretty tough to review. On one hand, you've got what is possibly the best set of sounds I've heard used together on this site, with a couple of different parts of the song each woven together completely seamlessly and effectively. The percussion is perfectly fitting, the intro is cool, the ending is ridiculously good....

...but on the other hand, the composition for whatever the main voice is at the parts of the song is really repetitive. It seems like you've got a ton of great texture here- it'd be really interesting if you could change up that main melody a bit, maybe even add some more complex melodies the softer parts of the song (where they'd be best suited)...and I know, I know; it's industrial but it still felt lacking melody-wise.

That said, it is a pretty short song, and it does scream "badass" at all frequencies. The sounds used and the textures created are simply top of the line, especially for Newgrounds. So I really can't take off too many points for the melody's repetition, can I? But I do think there's real room for improvement there.

Great job, overall. The effort in here is phenomenal.

DonaldFletcher responds:

First let me respond by giving a particularly loud and and appropriately distorted "Thank You" for the great review!

I agree with you 100% on the melody. That's exactly what my brother said the first time he heard the uncompleted project, and he's the one who got me started on NG because he knew I'd get some constructive feedback on it. I'm that part was fulfilled to my best expectations so far.

Originally I intended this piece to be simply my re-introduction to SawCutter and ACID, and was more of a steroidal experiment to me than anything. The lead instrument is 100% SawCutter noise and the vocals were made to match the melody with SawCutter as well. I think you'll find it interesting that one of the last things I did for this track was the intro, which is why I got more daring in switching up the chords on the lead there, and using the reverb slider to drive you more effectively into the main melody.

My intention after the first minute was to establish a relationship between the male and female aspects of the song (male being the distorted bass/guitar melody and female being of course the ILONA! vocals), then listen to them come together through chaos in a harmonic stereo dance. This leads into their separation as the female breaks the harmony at the high point of the relationship and leaves the male to to drift away to the side, and as she realizes what she lost she tries in vain to return to the original melody and is left to simply drift away into solitude herself. Actually, almost every instrument has a specific spiritual/personal role in this piece, and I really do wish I had thought to do more with it at the time.

That said, I'm (usually) philosophically against remixing my own material only because I feel, philosophically, that after I give life to a piece of music it should be left alone as its own entity, the free will of which I should not try to alter. Yeah, it's weird, but it means that much to me ;-]

However, I do plan to get back to using SawCutter a lot more now that I'm in an experimental mood, so you can look forward to hearing the same sort of work without the repetitive melodies (hopefully, haha).

Thanks again for the constructive remarks and the exceedingly positive review. I genuinely appreciate that and I'm certainly looking forward to discussing other projects with you in the future.

Cheers,
-DEF

Pretty neat song here.

First, a couple of complaints: I don't like that space-y synth that plays scales over and over...and some of the pads you use kinda sound in the same vein, which to me sorta split the track into two distinct sounds, the heavy-industrial stuff and the goofy sounding techno stuff. It made the song sound pretty aimless, and really ruined the mood that the other stuff would've made pretty awesome.

I guess I'd advise you to focus on honing down that sound, because the composition all around is really quite interesting. And the ending is pretty awesome. I think with a bit more focus and maybe some different sound selection this thing could be really moody and interesting. But then, that could be completely away from what you were going for, in which case it's not really my place to try to change around your vision for the sound.

Anyways, the effort really shines through here, so good job. If you get the time, could you check out my latest track, "Run, Darling, Run"? I'd really appreciate a review on it, thanks.

cycerin responds:

To me, "heavy industrial stuff" and "techno stuff" isn't separated at all. It's not like industrial is a rigid genre either, but I can see why you'd react this way. I guess I just have a thing for fab arpeggios and I can't help using them - oh god someone help me!

Very nice composition.

Well, first off: yeah, the mixing/recording quality could really be improved alot...I get worried because I think I hear some really interesting use of dissonance, and then I worry it's the sound quality tricking me, etc.

Anyways, this is really nice. A very strong mood, interesting dissonance, melodies, and overall very good composition. If I close my eyes and concentrate, I can really get swept up in this piece, which is a testament to its beauty.

I suppose the main flaw composition wise is that it does get very repetitive on the repeating left hand (I assume) melody, if I focus too much on it instead of the track as a whole. Also, I'm not too sure with what you did for the ending, because despite the very nice rhythmic finishing I didn't really hear anything cadence-wise that finished the piece off nicely, to me.

Otherwise, those are a couple relatively minor complaints that really don't tarnish a very beautiful piece. Keep it up, definitely. And if you get the chance, could you check out my newest song, Burj Dubai? (http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/list en/153166)

I'd really appreciate it, thanks.

sarias responds:

will do and i very much appreciate the review it helps out loads, the disonance was supposed to be there, i just need to work on my mixing like i said, im new with the mixing aspect of it, i just recently as in yesterday started so this was my first real thing that i mixed, so thats why its like that, other then that i thank you and look forwarf to future helpful reviews from you

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